tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10466914.post3630252045702579899..comments2023-03-26T09:39:18.233-04:00Comments on AMHAZ journal: QuestionAndrewhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08487257122852179041noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10466914.post-84604770733864728852007-08-02T07:21:00.000-04:002007-08-02T07:21:00.000-04:00The melody, or motive,(in the key of B-flat) is FF...The melody, or motive,(in the key of B-flat) is FF D GF D / FaFa Ré SolFa Ré / PAPA GA DAGA PA (in Sanskrit, in any key)! <BR/>My Thai girlfriend knows it too, by the way. <BR/>I have these two theories (and both could be intercontected without fear of being shown to swing one way or another). One is that it's what children (more or less universally - but perhaps more since modern education system -- use to express differentiation from us adults, by immitating parents voice of plea to comply (to their orders and ranking) in a most minimalistic manner (three notes). Notice this motive involves a major pentatonic without the tonic note (Bb) itself, which in my view incinuates it by its very subtraction. <BR/>"nanny nanny boo boo, you can't catch me" or put any other set of words (eg. "no time for losers 'cause we are the champions") that rhythmically fits in its place (eg. the word "differentiation" itself, perhaps). It carries a sense of positive competitiveness, much like the mood (rasa) purported in SrimadBhagavatam(Tenth Canto): GOPIS in the face of KRSNA and Radharani. <BR/>What do you make of that?!nomusicianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08668927254746891216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10466914.post-82218994764350856512007-01-22T20:43:00.000-05:002007-01-22T20:43:00.000-05:00Peek-A-Boo significance: PAB is used to establish ...Peek-A-Boo significance: PAB is used to establish object permanence. Through this game, Baby learns that <I>just because Mommy isn’t right in front of me, doesn’t mean that Mommy is completely gone forever</I>. When Baby begins to crawl and walk, Baby learns to explore its environment. Baby seeks out things that initially were not right in front of Baby’s face. Baby also knows that Mommy is probably around, and if Baby wants Mommy, Baby will seek her. If Baby can’t find Mommy, Baby will start crying, and then the goal is that she will come to Baby. <br /><br />So, PAB established that Mommy is not gone forever if immediately absent, baby goes exploring (seeking), tries to find Mommy (hidden), can’t find Mommy in this case—starts crying, wanting her to come to it (~“Ollie, ollie, oxen free”). <br /><br />Not the most scientific ideas…I didn’t consider it an intuitive response (as Andrew requested) because I had to rely heavily on what I remember from Ed Psych.<br /><br />I will talk about anything other than the military or politics. Sorry.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10466914.post-9824441529307174672007-01-22T19:18:00.000-05:002007-01-22T19:18:00.000-05:00A smart idea. Taking out satellites would cripple...A smart idea. Taking out satellites would cripple a nation. Sucks that all big countries have violent-minded leaders. <br /><br />Kinda makes ya want to dissolve into a nonentity and play online video games until the neutron bombs drop.<br /><br />You should have started a new blogger topic on this, though, O God Amoung Bloggers.<br /><br />PS: i have a working toilet in my house now.Murfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07871401609682429393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10466914.post-6749565721735445162007-01-22T00:57:00.000-05:002007-01-22T00:57:00.000-05:00hmm, songmarysmith has dissolved. this is interes...hmm, songmarysmith has dissolved. this is interesting.<br /><br />anyway, for now we can say that the teasing song, or catching song, or whatever is an english kids song, which spread around the world back in the age of the british empire, and that's it for now.<br /><br />bottle and i think that humans are genetically predisposed to generate the game of tag upon being able to run around independently. and the dissolved songmarysmith is probably right to some extent about how cats play the same games, though i don't see how peekaboo is related.<br /><br />hmm... whatelse... what does everyone think of the chinese satellite destroying ballistic missile???Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08487257122852179041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10466914.post-21490071959854050952007-01-21T23:24:00.000-05:002007-01-21T23:24:00.000-05:00My mom doesn't know the "catching" melody:)My mom doesn't know the "catching" melody:)Bottlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05708245114902011644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10466914.post-83515391778017063002007-01-20T14:53:00.000-05:002007-01-20T14:53:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Song Mary Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05160613320786895933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10466914.post-42866583877734923182007-01-20T13:32:00.000-05:002007-01-20T13:32:00.000-05:00ok, anyway, games. the main question was about ga...ok, anyway, games. the main question was about games.Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08487257122852179041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10466914.post-59433890420298886882007-01-20T07:38:00.000-05:002007-01-20T07:38:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Song Mary Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05160613320786895933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10466914.post-32944284317453585892007-01-19T19:49:00.000-05:002007-01-19T19:49:00.000-05:00You should begat folks, if you swing that way.You should begat folks, if you swing that way.Murfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07871401609682429393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10466914.post-33709257570649203232007-01-19T18:40:00.000-05:002007-01-19T18:40:00.000-05:00look at all my comments. i am like a blogger God....look at all my comments. i am like a blogger God.Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08487257122852179041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10466914.post-45214187049874316742007-01-19T17:11:00.000-05:002007-01-19T17:11:00.000-05:00no apology necessary! and did you know new-google...no apology necessary! and did you know new-google >Newgle< spell checks comments now? if it didn't, i would have spelled apology appology.Murfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07871401609682429393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10466914.post-67790346702409881332007-01-19T15:02:00.000-05:002007-01-19T15:02:00.000-05:00I understood what you meant, and I was not trying ...I understood what you meant, and I was not trying to discredit it. I was just being dumb. Sorry.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10466914.post-81215641658752182912007-01-19T14:36:00.000-05:002007-01-19T14:36:00.000-05:00i meant that maybe it was mating call for birds, t...i meant that maybe it was mating call for birds, thousands of years ago, and ape-men just picked it up because, dammit, the birds just wouldn't shut the hell up. baby-ape-men would have liked it, for sure. or first-babies-of-eve, if you swing that way.Murfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07871401609682429393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10466914.post-56923451019268599502007-01-19T13:00:00.000-05:002007-01-19T13:00:00.000-05:00I wonder if the universality has to do with the no...I wonder if the universality has to do with the notes in particular. When I hummed it and when I picked it out on my keyboard, I immediately produced FF DF G F, and was surprised that the pitches D and F were mentioned on the discussion site. We both know that we can start on any note and produce the song, but somehow it sounds better starting on F…maybe it’s just me. <br /><br />Lending my “professional” expertise, those pitches in particular are very easy to produce in the voice, so those would be top choice for sing-song. We’re also talking about a song that has a range of a P4, making it even easier for very young children (ages 3-5) to sing. But why use the same melody for so many different lyrics? Surely it can’t be that children cannot remember a variety of melodies. That may be a cognitive musicology question. Maybe there’s something about the syllables that suggest those pitches and (roughly) the same rhythms. I would be interested if Bottle or any of your colleagues would share how the melody is used in their countries and how ubiquitous it is.<br /><br />A mating call? It's possible and really worth considering, but kinda funny when you think of the song being linked to a taunt. "I ain't lettin' you touch my boobs! Nanny nanny boo boo!" I'm sorry. I need to behave.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10466914.post-18764634960661685562007-01-19T12:14:00.000-05:002007-01-19T12:14:00.000-05:00maybe it all goes back to some mating melody a pre...maybe it all goes back to some mating melody a prevalent bird in Africa used to sing, during a pivotal stage in our evolution? or a bird in the garden of eden, if you swing that way.Murfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07871401609682429393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10466914.post-59544976430177293012007-01-19T10:52:00.000-05:002007-01-19T10:52:00.000-05:00oh, that is excellent! it is a thickening mystery...oh, that is excellent! it is a thickening mystery. bottle says chinese kids know the song, but they also know lots of melodies which i know are european. the korean girl in my lab knows it too, but koreans are all mixed up with americans, so who knows. the indian girl in bottle's lab didn't seem to think much of it; thought she had heard it on tv maybe... hm...Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08487257122852179041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10466914.post-44730510860891781672007-01-18T17:04:00.000-05:002007-01-18T17:04:00.000-05:00I’ve never heard the version of the taunt you cite...I’ve never heard the version of the taunt you cited. I lived in West Nashville as a kid, maybe that explains it. I found an interesting discussion on the taunt’s musical origins and universality (click my name). It’s a great ethnomusicology question.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10466914.post-5296051714920419202007-01-17T11:26:00.000-05:002007-01-17T11:26:00.000-05:00that is funny.
also, i am aware that the tune of ...that is funny.<br /><br />also, i am aware that the tune of the nyaah nyaah song is the same as "it's raining it's pouring", and "rain rain go away", but that doesn't answer anything.Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08487257122852179041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10466914.post-72720283212869268602007-01-17T11:21:00.000-05:002007-01-17T11:21:00.000-05:00I don't know. It seems there are lots of psycholog...I don't know. It seems there are lots of psychological research about games. But I haven't seen any direct answer to your question.Bottlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05708245114902011644noreply@blogger.com